The Lyme 360 Podcast: Heal+

EP 95: The Power of Detoxing with Spencer Feldman, Founder of Remedylink

March 15, 2022 Mimi MacLean
The Lyme 360 Podcast: Heal+
EP 95: The Power of Detoxing with Spencer Feldman, Founder of Remedylink
Show Notes Transcript

On this podcast, we are going to be talking about a new way to detox for Lyme. We all know how important detoxing is when you have Lyme. It has been instrumental in my healing. Spencer Feldman is the founder and CEO of Remedylink. Spencer is a multiple patent holder and has been designing and manufacturing detoxification products for over 20 years. His groundbreaking work creating detox suppositories spawned an entire industry in the alternative health world. I urge you to listen to this episode and learn more about detoxing from an expert like Spencer.

Tune in to hear about Spencer’s journey in creating Remedylink, the importance of sticking with a protocol for multiple lunar cycles, and the power of plant-based medication and alternative health treatments.

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 Mimi MacClean:
Welcome to The Lyme 360 Podcast for all things related to Lyme disease and other chronic illnesses. I'm Mimi MacLean, mom of five, founder of Lyme 360 and a fellow Lyme warrior. Tune in each week to hear from doctors, health practitioners, and experts to learn about their treatments, struggles and triumphs to help you on your healing journey. I'm here to heal with you.

Mimi MacClean:
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Mimi MacClean:
So the chemicals and ingredients in your products have not been tested for human safety. So for those of you struggling with your health, it is super important to use clean products. Eight years ago, I started using Beautycounter for my cosmetics and personal care products. They are the leaders in clean, safer products that work. Beautycounter has done the research and taken the guesswork out of what is safe. Go to lyme360.com/beautycounter to learn more. Reach out to me at mimi@lyme360.com if you want to learn more or find out what my favorite products are.

Mimi MacClean:
Welcome back to The Lyme 360 Podcast. This is your host, Mimi MacLean. Today, we are speaking with Spencer Feldman. He is the founder and CEO of Remedylink. Spencer is a multiple patent holding inventor and formulator, and has been designing and manufacturing detoxification products for over 20 years. 

Mimi MacClean:
His groundbreaking work created detox suppositories, spawn an entire industry in the alternative health world. Living off the grid in Oregon, he spends his time tending his orchard and doing research on how to help people with chronic disease. To get my detox for Lyme checklist, go to lyme360.com/detoxchecklist.

Mimi MacClean:
Spencer, thank you so much for coming on today. I really am excited to talk to you because I think one of the biggest parts of a Lyme journey is detoxing, because you will not get better no matter what medicine you're on, if it's alternative antibiotics. Unless you've detoxed, your body doesn't work. I've learned that in my process. So you're like the expert detoxer. So I would love to just start out with how you became an expert in this field, and then also your take on the detoxing and what you should be doing.

Spencer Feldman:
Sure. So like a lot of people in the alternative medical community, I started because I wasn't well myself, and began my own journey on how to get better, which I'm still on. I'm still figuring things out. So I had a couple of personal challenges. Everybody's got their story. For me, I was a mid forceps [inaudible 00:02:58]. My head was crushed when I was coming into the world. I was put on Accutane as a kid, which has got a black box warning. I had some vaccinations, you know, the usual nonsense. In terms of Lyme, it's interesting, I used to live in Woodstock, New York which is near the epicenter of Lyme.

Mimi MacClean:
Yeah.

Spencer Feldman:
We've had some kids and I thought, "Okay, that's it." I see what Lyme is doing to people. I mean, this was 20 years ago and I said, "This is nasty. I'd rather get shot point blank than be bit by one of these ticks." So we moved left. I've since bought a property in Oregon only to find that for some strange reason, there's ticks everywhere.

Spencer Feldman:
So somehow I seem to be bumping back into this again. And there's some Lyme out here, and I've seen what it does to people. And it's the PhD course of alternative medicine. I mean, it used to be that dealing with someone who had cancer was considered one of the more difficult things you could do in your medical career. Lyme, I think is much more difficult, much more complicated. There's so many more things going on. 

Spencer Feldman:
And so, my heart really goes down to people that are dealing with Lyme. And fortunately now through the works of people like yourselves and other online communities, people could crowdsource and figure out in lifetime or in nearly lifetime, what is and isn't working, so as a newer comes out from the Amazon or a new protocol comes out.

Spencer Feldman:
I do not claim to be a Lyme expert at all, but what I do have a fair bit of knowledge about is detoxifying. And so, to the degree that a toxin free or a less toxic body is better able to heal from Lyme, and to the degree that Lyme can creates its own toxins, and certainly that's something that I could speak to with your audience.

Mimi MacClean:
That's okay. Yeah. Now, so talk about the best way to detox. And there's so many things we should be detoxing from, right? First of all, I always like to use it an analogy of like, your body is a pot of boiling over stuff. So first you got to stop throwing the bad stuff into the pot, and then you got to figure out how to start emptying the pot. Like there's two ways to look at it. 

Mimi MacClean:
So I think your specialty is how to empty the pot as far as taking the stuff out of your body. But in general, like I've talked in the past about... especially talking to, if it's an EMF specialist or what you're doing in your home, and the products you're putting on, all that. That's assuming what you're putting in the pot is stopping or reducing. So if we could talk about, what is the best way to start emptying that pot to detox?

Spencer Feldman:
Sure. And I love the analogy of a pot. I would also add the idea that we're a bit of a sponge. So if you have a dirty sponge, and you squeeze it under fresh water, and you see all the dirt come out, that does not mean the sponge is completely clean, right? We could get a lot of stuff out of the body, but to a certain degree, there's a time element required for some of the tissue to be remodeled, to break down, to be replaced. But there's a lot that you can get out. 

Spencer Feldman:
So let's talk about how we get toxins out. And there's a lot of misinformation and poor and mal information out there. Detox is a very profitable marketing word. A lot of people use it. And a lot of the detoxes that are out there, they'll basically be fiber and a laxative or something, or maybe a couple of vitamins.

Spencer Feldman:
To do a really deep dive at the detox, the first thing we want to do is understand the different types of toxins. Now, our bodies have an innate ability to toxify metals and chemicals. We evolve with arsenic in well water, and snake and spider bites, and poisonous mushrooms. So we have designed within us the capacity to deal with these things to a degree. But the modern world has exposed us to toxic metals and chemicals in far greater amounts than we were ever designed to handle. 

Spencer Feldman:
And there's chemicals that our bodies were never exposed to. So it's not in our genetic code to know how to deal with them necessarily. Last time I checked, there was some seven million different chemicals in the environment. Now, fortunately, a lot of the chemicals can be detoxified in similar ways. So don't let that freak you out. We can still get rid of many of them, the vast majority of them, probably most of them. But that means we have to really support every different part of our detox system, because each different chemical may require a different conjugate to remove it.

Spencer Feldman:
And one other thing I would express is, some people will say it's all in your head. The toxins that you're being exposed to are rigorously tested. They don't cause problems at the levels you're taking them. And if you take that at face value, which I don't, because things like aspartamide were tested. And then I think, was it Rumsfeld who had some financial vested interest in it, overran the FDA to ram it through, because even they said it was too toxic.

Spencer Feldman:
But the argument that these chemicals are in such small amounts, neglects a primary point and that's the concept of synergy. So for instance, if you say, well, I'm just exposed to this food dye at levels 10 times lower, they're not going to bother anybody. Okay. But if you're exposed to a million different things, all at levels 10 times less, they're not going to bother you. What is the cumulative additive and multiplicative effect of all these things happening simultaneously? And that has never been tested. 

Spencer Feldman:
Now a good position, if they're putting you on a medication will make sure that the medications aren't contraindicated to be done together, because sometimes they'll magnify each other's effect in a very bad way. We've never done that with the world in terms of toxins. And I think that's part of what's going on. 

Spencer Feldman:
So let's talk about the different classes of toxins, and I'll share your audience the lessons I've learned over 25 years as to what works and what doesn't, and what's actually harmful. We have several classes of toxins we could talk about. The first would be water soluble toxins. And these are things that they don't stay in the body, because whatever damages they're going to do, they're water soluble. You're going to urinate them out. So once they're gone, there may be some significant damage, but then you can repair it. It's not continuing to make damage. Right? 

Spencer Feldman:
The next class is the fat soluble toxins. Those are the ones that get in and create damage and keep creating damage. They don't stop. Their little fire is burning in the body that don't get put out. Then we have a class we call toxic metals. And then something else that I call, toxic crystallizations that isn't normally talked about. 

Spencer Feldman:
So let's go through the first four of these. Again, for the soluble toxins, just drink water. Now that means you're having good clean water. However, most of us don't drink enough water. And the reason is because either the water is poor quality, it's fluorinated, chlorinated, and then oxidized, and the body just doesn't like it. And so it doesn't give you the signal to drink, because it doesn't want to deal with all the drug residues and everything in the water.

Spencer Feldman:
And then the second is if a person happens to be B vitamin deficient, which are soluble vitamins or electrolyte deficient, the body is going to say, don't drink too much water. You're going to lower my sodium or my B vitamin levels too much. So it's playing, trying to balance a deficiency with dehydration. 

Spencer Feldman:
And so, it's easy, get a good source of water. And if you're not craving that, add some soluble vitamins and maybe some electrolytes. That's that. The tricky part is when you get to the fat soluble toxins, because you can't just urinate them out, they go into the fatty sections of the body. So the nerve endings, the coatings on the nerve, cell membranes, the brain is mostly fat. 

Spencer Feldman:
So how do you get rid of something that's fat soluble? Well, we do it all the time when we do dishes. If you have a greasy dish and you dip it in water, nothing comes off. But if you dip it in soapy water, that soap chemically reacts with the grease to make the fat soluble grease water soluble, and then it starts to come off. 

Spencer Feldman:
So to a large degree, when we're doing detox, we're trying to find the right soap, the right solvent, the right soap, the right agent to break down the toxin that's in us, so it can be removed. I'm sure you've heard of the coffee enema, this was a naturopathic protocol where people would take coffee rectally, and lay down in a bathtub, and make a pot of coffee and put it in a bag, put it in the rectum, lay on their side and get the coffee in them. 

Spencer Feldman:
People do this to detox and I'll tell you why this works for detoxing, a better way to do it in the history of it. So let's go to Germany in World War I in a field hospital. And at that time it was believed that it's a good idea to give enemies to soldiers or to anyone before surgery because it'll decrease the bacterial load. If you have to move the organs around when there's no feces in the bowels are easier to manipulate. 

Spencer Feldman:
And so, when you know the nurse goes to the doctor, because I guess they had in this field hospital a lot of injuries just one day. A doctor were out of warm water for any medicine. And the German doctor looks around and says, "Use our coffee pot." She says, "Okay." And they gave the soldier an enema, and they notice that the soldier, not only does he recover faster, but with less pain than with the water enema. 

Spencer Feldman:
And this is why I respect German medicine so much, because they're not caught in the trap that says, "If I don't understand how it works, I won't use it." They will say, "I want to know if it works, I'll try to figure out why, but at the end of the day, that's secondary. That it works is more important." Which is why I think German medicine is superior to American medicine. 

Spencer Feldman:
So what coffee enemas do is the caffeine stimulate something called the phase one detox pathway. And this is where enzymes called cytochrome P450 enzymes add oxygen to fat soluble toxins to make them more reactive. Then the next step in that process is called phase two. And that's where conjugates like glutathione, methyl groups, sulfates, gluconic acid, cineol groups, they get attached to the oxygen. And that finishes the process of turning it from fat soluble to water soluble. It's a two step show. And then now you can urinate it out.

Spencer Feldman:
The problem is, some people either don't get good results or get even worse when they do coffee enemas. And so why is this? Well, phase one temporarily makes the toxin more reactive. It has to, it adds an oxygen to it, so it can bind to the conjugator. 

Spencer Feldman:
But if someone doesn't have phase two, if they've crashed on phase two, because they've already detoxed as much as they can, and they've run out of those conjugators, then what happens is they're left with these phase one conjugator toxins that are now more reactive than when they started. And now they're really sick. 

Spencer Feldman:
Now, and this is how people get multiple chemical sensitivities, which I used to have. For instance, I was exposed to a lot of diesel exhaust one time when I was a kid, and I became horrifically reactive to diesel fumes to the point where if I was in a car, and a truck in front of me let out a belch of diesel and I didn't roll the windows up fast enough in every cycle, I would have to let everyone in the car know not to talk to me for half an hour, because I'm going to be in a horrific mood, and I just have to wait it out, half an hour, two hours, whatever. 

Spencer Feldman:
So what I did is I made a suppository that had organic coffee in it, but I added in the phase two conjugates. So that way I'm stimulating the body like a coffee enema without the mess to begin the detox process. But then I'm also making sure that the conjugates are there at the exact same time. 

Spencer Feldman:
And I think that if you are interested in doing a chemical detox, that is a great way to go about it, because you don't end up crashing on phase two and getting more toxic as a result of an incomplete toxin. And this is one of the detox caps I was referring to. It's when someone stimulates phase one, crashes phase two, and then they start getting sicker.

Spencer Feldman:
And then what happens is their health coach will say, "Oh, you're having a detox crisis. Stay with it, keep going." And these people keep doing it and they get sicker and sicker. And then they feel like they're failures because they're just not strong enough to do what the health coach says that everybody else can do. And eventually they give up feeling not only bad about themselves psychologically, but actually much more toxic than when they started. So there's a right, wrong way to detox. And for chemicals the right way is to do phase one and phase two at the same time.

Mimi MacClean:
Great. I've never heard that before. And for me, coffee enemas had been like a godsend getting through the bad days. So, but fortunately I've never really had that second phase problem for myself, but I can imagine that would be very hard.

Spencer Feldman:
Right. Well, and if you don't, you could certainly use coffee suppositories just instead of a coffee enema. And it'll still give you some... It's 15 seconds to put it in rather than 30 minutes laying on your side.

Mimi MacClean:
Yeah. And the whole process. And-

Spencer Feldman:
Yeah. So it's certainly got better patient compliance. It's a lot easier to use, if you're a practitioner offer to your clients.

Mimi MacClean:
That's great. And how often do you recommend doing those?

Spencer Feldman:
So it's an environmental consideration. For the average person, one box once a year, right? You know, 10 suppositories. For someone that has been exposed or is continuing to be exposed, they work around solvents in an auto repair shop, degreasing engines or at a dry cleaner establishment, or work around pesticide spraying, they're going to need more. 

Spencer Feldman:
And then once in a while you find people that... and I have a few who have to do it nearly every day, because if they don't, their body just doesn't work and they've been doing it for years. And of course, they're very grateful because it's the only thing that keeps some functioning. I'm sorry that we don't yet have the technology, not that aware of technology of getting them to do it on their own. 

Spencer Feldman:
I think some of these people, they might have been damaged to the point where they need that continually. But for the vast majority of people, once, twice a year, a set of 10 days is about all you need. So that's phase one and phase two. And the next thing we could talk about would be toxic metals. 

Spencer Feldman:
Some people call them heavy metals, which means they have a density or a specific gravity greater than water, but that's not really accurate because there are some light metals like aluminum that are toxic and some heavy metals like zinc that are necessary for your health. 

Spencer Feldman:
So heavy metal... we can leave that word aside, we'll call toxic metals. So when toxic metals get in our body, they bind to our tissue because our body thinks there are things we need. They look just like things we need. They're imposters. So as an example, lead looks like calcium, which is why it goes in the bones. Cadmium looks like zinc, which is why it goes to the brain, the eyes and the prostate. The mercury looks like selenium, which is why it goes in the thyroid. Aluminum looks like magnesium. It goes to the muscles and so forth, and on the brain. 

Spencer Feldman:
So what happens is toxic metals get stuck in cell membrane transporters. These are the little tunnels and revolving doors on the cells that bring nutrition in and take toxins out. And they go in because they're about the same size, but because they have a slightly different charge, they get stuck in the transporter, and now things can't get in and out of cells. 

Spencer Feldman:
So imagine if someone crazy glued your refrigerator shut and poured cement in your toilet, right? You can't get nutrition in, you can't get toxins out. That house will not be a great a nice place to live in very shortly. So what we need to do is we need to find a way to remove them out of the cell membrane transporters, and the other places that they bind to.

Spencer Feldman:
So you have to give them something that they want more than what they're attached to now. It's sort of like, I was in Mexico once and my girlfriend ended up with a monkey stuck on her head. It wouldn't let go. Now, I was afraid it my blind her. I mean, this monkey was up on her head, would not let go. 

Spencer Feldman:
And I'm like, "Okay." And I bought a banana and I opened it up. I showed it. And then I put it on a table a few feet away. And then the monkey left. Because the monkey wanted the banana more than it wanted to be on my girlfriend's head. Okay, there we go. So you need to find the right banana. You need to find something that the toxic metals want more than what they're attached to.

Spencer Feldman:
And one of my favorite things is called the EDTA, Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid. So diamine means protein, and tetra is for acetic acid vinegar. So it's a protein with four little vinegar groups. Matter of fact, lots of acid are good chelators. Every time you exercise, you make lactic acid. That's a chelator. Fermented foods, those are chelators.

Spencer Feldman:
And it would be great if exercise and good food was enough to detox us, but we have so many toxins in us now, we really need a little help. You know, I think at a certain point in time, when you get to cleaning up, and on a good diet, you could rely on that. But usually for the initial detox phase, you need something a little stronger. And so EDTA will bind to it. And once it binds to it, makes it water soluble. And then out it goes. 

Spencer Feldman:
Now, EDTA is usually given by intravenous. Because it's a protein, stomach acids and the digestive enzymes to destroy it. But again, not that many people have access to a physician who will do IVs for them. I taught myself how to do IVs on my own arms. It was a bloody mess. I'd rather not do that again. I mean, I can do it now, but it's nothing I would suggest you learn on your own. 

Spencer Feldman:
And so I made a suppository for it because there's no digestive enzymes in the rectum. And so we're looking at 80%, 85% absorption rectally versus 100% by IV. There's no reason not to go by suppository. And actually, I think it's safer. Because when you do IV chelation, you have to check the kidney function in someone to make sure you don't overload their kidneys with toxins coming out.

Mimi MacClean:
You don't have to do that with this?

Spencer Feldman:
Well, no, because what you can do is rather than getting one huge IV once or twice a week, you can do a smaller suppository every day. It's gentler on the kidneys. And so it's something that I think the safer way to go. Just as a caveat to understand if you're dealing with mercury, you can't use EDTA or any of the common chelators, DMPS, DMSA because you can end up with the redistribution of the mercury. 

Spencer Feldman:
What happens is oxidized iron FE3 has a huge affinity for chelators. So if the chelator grabs the mercury, it will let go of it for the oxidized iron, which we always have a little bit, because red blood cells are breaking down. And then now you've got the mercury moving around again, and it can end up in a worse place like the brain, than where it was where you found them, like maybe abdominal fat. There is a way to do mercury detox. I don't have the time to get into it in this podcast, but you guys are welcome to reach out to me on my website.

Mimi MacClean:
So it's important then to know what heavy metals you have before you start?

Spencer Feldman:
Yeah. Well there's two ways to do it. Right? You could assume that you have mercury. Right? And I think that's a safe assumption if you have a history of eating predator fish, like salt fish or tuna, or you have a lot of fillings or use amount of fillings in your mouth, or you've ever been around a lot of broken fluorescent tubes, or gotten a lot of vaccines,

Mimi MacClean:
Vaccines. Yeah. Because mercury is in the vaccines.

Spencer Feldman:
Right. So I mean, I think it's a good thing for everyone just to do one month of a mercury-free detox. Anyway, but absolutely, if you have the inclination, go and get a hair analysis test. Just understand that you're not just looking for mercury in a hair test, you're looking for also an imbalance of the major electrolytes, because that will indicate hidden mercury that is not yet showing up in the hair. And then you do that for a month or two, clear it out and then you can go to the less expensive chelators that grab everything else, like lead and aluminum and the cadmium and so forth and so on.

Mimi MacClean:
Okay. Good.

Spencer Feldman:
Okay. Next would come the toxic crystallizations. Now there are at least 22 known substances that'll crystallize in the human body. I'm sure there's many more than that, that we're not even aware of. Some of the more common ones would be like gallstones and kidney stones and soft tissue calcifications. Breast calcifications are ones that women are aware of, but you can get calcifications in the brain, in the prostate, everywhere. 

Spencer Feldman:
And medicine has a different name for every location these calcifications occur. But at the end of the day, they're just calcifications. Sometimes they're caused by nano bacteria. Sometimes they're caused by trauma. There's lots of ways we can end up turning to stone as we age. 

Spencer Feldman:
But let's talk about gallstones first because that's making sure the gallbladder is functioning as part of understanding how to detox the liver. So the liver produces bile to do a number of things, right? It neutralizes stomach acid. Otherwise, see the stomach has a mucus coating so that the acid is being created to initially digest the food, break down the food. It doesn't digest the stomach.

Spencer Feldman:
But there's no mucus coating in the intestines or at least not a heavy one anyway. And so why doesn't the food which is now full of hydrochloric acid burn the gut? Well, it can, if the bile doesn't get escorted in to neutralize it. So you want to have bile coming out to neutralize the stomach acids. Bile also kills parasites. It stimulates peristalsis and digest fat. So it's important stuff. Important enough that you recycle most of it.

Spencer Feldman:
Once it gets used and released by the liver into the gallbladder, which is the bag that holds it and support it into your food, it gets reabsorbed back up through the gut. Unfortunately for a lot of people, the bile in gallbladder starts to turn to sludge. If you ever get an ultrasound machine and start looking at people's gallbladders, you'll see that plenty of people have gall stones and sludge in their gallbladder, which means that the bile can't get out as easily.

Spencer Feldman:
And so not only does that cause the stones and the burns of the gut screw up the peristalsis, but the bile has got to go somewhere. And sometimes it'll back wash into a pancreas where you get pancreatitis. So obviously, keeping the gallbladder healthy is important. 

Spencer Feldman:
And some people will say, "Well, no worries. I had my gallbladder removed." I'm like, "Well, the gallbladder was just a bag that was holding the problem. The problem is still there. The problem is the bile is too thick." And so now you've got stones in the liver. I mean, so you really want to recover the gallbladder if possible. 

Spencer Feldman:
And some people have a gall bladder, and when you look at the wall of the gallbladder, so horrifically and chronically infected that it's just not going to recover. But most of the time you can turn it around. And so the old school remedy, just like the old school remedy of coffee enemas, the old school remedy for gallbladder was a liver, gallbladder flush. Have you ever done one of those?

Mimi MacClean:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). With the oil?

Spencer Feldman:
Yeah. What was your experience like?

Mimi MacClean:
Besides the taste of the oil, I didn't have, what you were supposed to... I mean, it wasn't unbelievably horrific on the other end, as far as like, "Oh, 24 hours, this is what's going to happen." I did it a long time ago, but I don't recall it so much. Makes me think that it wasn't.

Spencer Feldman:
It's not that bad. It's not that traumatic, but there's certainly better ways to spend an afternoon.

Mimi MacClean:
Right. Or just in case of drinking all that oil.

Spencer Feldman:
Right. So for the people who don't know what it is, you're going to drink half a cup of olive oil, some Epsom salt to dilate the sphincter of Oddi, the muscular ring that is at the bottom of gallbladder that opens up to spread the bile. And maybe some lemon juice. 

Spencer Feldman:
So what happens is the olive oil stimulates the gall bladder to contract. The Epsom salt dilutes it. And you hopefully dump out all the stones and sludge. Now, there's some issues with this one. It's not the most enjoyable thing. It's not terrible. And I do it again, if that was my only option, but the other issue is some of what comes out are stones. But some of what comes out are just coagulated bits of olive oil caused by the flush itself. 

Spencer Feldman:
So what happens is, I'll hear people that say, "Oh yeah, I'm on my 13th or 14th liver,. gallbladder flush." I'm like, "You don't have that many stones in you." Like, "Oh yeah, every time I do it, I get more stones out." I'm like, "No, those are the fake stones you're making by doing the gallbladder flush."

Spencer Feldman:
So if you're going to do liver, gallbladder flush, and some thing comes out of you, if it's soft and you can crush it between your fingers, that's not a gallstone. And this is the third kind of detox trap. This is when someone actually causes the problem you're looking to resolve.

Spencer Feldman:
Because what happens is, when someone does too many liver, gallbladder flushes, they continuously dump all their bile out. They lose bile, they can't recycle it fast enough. And now the liver gets very dry on bile, which is what's going to create more gallstones and more sludge. So they can actually, one, get fake gallstones. And two, create gallstones by the act of running out of bile.

Spencer Feldman:
And so that's the detox trap. A trap where you create the problem you're looking to resolve. Another example of this would be, let's say people who use Zeolite or Chlorella to detoxify metals. Now, Zeolite is a great metal detoxifier. But when it's mined out of the earth, it's loaded with metals because toxic metals are in the earth. 

Spencer Feldman:
So if you get someone who sells Zeolite that has not been acid washed first to remove the metals, and then lab tested it, then you take that in, and then it hits your stomach acid. And then the metals do come off, and then you checked your urine, you see all these metals. And your doctor says, "Wow, look, the Zeolite's pulling all these metals out. No, that's the metals the Zeolite put in. Same with Chlorella. It's grown, in the ocean of a port in China, where the water's filthy from industrial runoff. God knows what you're getting in that stuff. 

Spencer Feldman:
So be mindful that sometimes the tests, so the first detox trap is where you think I'm having a Herx, that's a good thing. Not always. The second is you see results based on lab work, but that can be a trap if what you're seeing is caused by the detox you think you're taking. Not that it's detoxing you, but that's actually in the product itself. 

Spencer Feldman:
So to resolve this, what we did is we took our bunch of herbs that are known to dissolve various crystals in the body. And we made them in a suppository. Because now I've made two suppositories, and I'm like, "Wow. These are convenient. They get right into the blood. They don't get destroyed by stomach acid. This is an overlooked method of delivery." We were pretty much the first people to do that 25 years ago to bring suppositories to the alternative market. And now there's lots of other companies doing it. And great. I'm glad that that idea has now become more mainstream. 

Spencer Feldman:
So but the product that we make is called Glytamins. And there's no ingredients in Glytamins you couldn't take orally. As a matter of fact, when I'm making batches of it, if there's a few left singles that don't go in the box, I'll eat them for lunch. Because the herbs in there are good for you. 

Spencer Feldman:
In this case, the suppository is not being taken like the first two cases because the enzymes would destroy some of the ingredients. We take it as a suppository because we're right there by the liver. And so, it goes right I. It's more of a locational situation. And I'll give you a story. There was a 70 year old woman who called me up, I don't know, 15 years ago. She called to thank me because after taking Glytamins, she didn't have a headache anymore.

Spencer Feldman:
I'm like, "Oh wow. That's really great. I'm glad." And then she goes, "No, you don't understand. My headache's gone." I'm like, "Wow, ma'am, that must have been a pretty bad headache." She goes, "Yeah. I had it for 55 years." I'm like, "Wow. I guess this woman had got a gall stone in her somewhere when she was a young girl, 15 or something." And if you follow Chinese medicine, you know that the gall bladder meridian goes up behind the head and can give people migraines and headaches. So you're never too old to be out of pain. I mean, I wish-

Mimi MacClean:
You found that earlier.

Spencer Feldman:
Yeah. But I mean, hey, at least she got to spend the last few years of her life without a headache. So I mean-

Mimi MacClean:
Wow.

Spencer Feldman:
Right? Next list will be kidney stones. Right? Different than gallstones by what they're made out of sometimes. But both of them can both be made out of calcium. So as we get older, the calcium leaves the bones and our teeth where it belongs and starts accumulating in the soft tissue, which causes problems. We literally turn to stone as we get older.

Spencer Feldman:
And like I said, it does this everywhere. So is there a way to dissolve calcium based crystallizations? And yeah, you can. The EDTA chelator we discussed from metals can also dissolve calcium because calcium is actually a metal. It's an alkali earth metal. It may not look shiny or gray or conduct heat and electricity, like most metals do, but in terms of its chemistry, it's a metal.

Spencer Feldman:
Just as a note, if you're going to get EDTA to remove calcium, it has to be a calcium free EDTA. 99% of the calcium in the marketplace is calcium disodium EDTA. And since it's already got the calcium on there, it won't take another one off. It's like the monkey that has a banana already. It won't take the banana you have, because it's already got one. You're going to have to give it something once more. You're going to have to give it a mango, to let go of the banana to get the mango. 

Spencer Feldman:
So if you're going to use EDTA, make sure that it is a calcium free one if you're trying to get calcium out of the tissue. And the product we make for that, I don't know if I mentioned it's called Medicardium. It's suppositories we make with magnesium dipotassium EDTA. And that's sort of our basic detox. It's the three of those we do together. 

Spencer Feldman:
Now, we talked about phase one and phase two. There's actually a phase three. And phase three is now that the toxins have been made soluble, they have to leave somehow. Sometimes they'll leave through the bile, and sometimes they leave through the urine at the kidneys. 

Spencer Feldman:
So imagine you inherit an old house, and you go inside and there's an inch of dust on the floor. Now you take a broom and you walk in the door, which is so much clutter, you can only open up the door halfway. And you get your way through the door, and you're thinking I'm going to just start sweeping this dust out the door.

Spencer Feldman:
Well, if you do before the door is already open all the way, percentage of it, it's going to get outside. And a percentage of it, it's going to bounce back, and you're going to going to be breathing and coughing and getting it all over the place. Right? 

Spencer Feldman:
What you really want to do is open up all the windows, get the clutter out of the way, open the door completely. Okay. Then you can start sweeping it out the door. And that's what phase three is. Phase three is the doors and the windows. And in the case of the body, it's really the liver and the gallbladder and the kidneys. 

Spencer Feldman:
So it's important I think, to make sure the kidneys are operating at full capacity, and the liver and gallbladder are open and able to flush things before you start really dumping all these toxins out, because that would be the equivalent of jamming up the phase three detox pathway. 

Spencer Feldman:
So then this is sort of like the fourth kind of detox trap, which is when you start a detox before the main pathway is out the body or completely open. So you're stimulating phase one and phase two, but you haven't checked on phase three yet. So I would say that's sort of like the basics of how to do detox. And if you like, we can get into some more things like oxalates and do a little bit of a deeper dive if you like into the crystal formations in the body.

Mimi MacClean:
Sure. But I would love to go through... On your website, you have so many great products. Where would you tell them to start? The three suppositories that you were just talking about?

Spencer Feldman:
Right. The red, the blue and the orange box, the Xeneplex, Medicardium and Glytamins, that would be the phase one, two and three. Although I would just have them do the Glytamins for a day or two first, before you start doing all the other ones. And then you just rotate a different one every day.

Spencer Feldman:
If someone's got a lot of lymphatic stagnation, they could do our Lympex product, which is an oral capsule. Just keep in mind if you really have a lot of clogged lymph, it's not unusual to start feeling some sensations, heat, or tingling in the lymph nodes, the tonsil ring under the arms, the breast, and then inguinal by the groin where the lymph nodes are, which isn't a bad thing. It just means that stuff's moving.

Mimi MacClean:
And then do you think doing this, is there beginning and an end, or do you just kind of continually do it, or it's more intensive and then you go to more like sporadic?

Spencer Feldman:
Right? So that's why I gave the analogy of a sponge. There is a point of diminishing returns, but that's different for different people. So some people are like, "I just want to be symptom free." Okay. Take it until your symptoms are gone. Some people are like, "I want to be more than symptom free, or I don't have any symptoms. I really want to be proactive." Okay. Do it once or twice for three times a year, just as a cleanse.

Spencer Feldman:
Someone might say, "Get me 99% of the way there, and I'm happy." Someone else is like, "Hey, you know what? I want to be as clean as I possibly can. And I get that I might be getting diminishing returns by getting that last tiny percentage out." But if you're a body hacker, if you like hacking your biology, if you're one of those people that says, "Hey, I want to be 120 years old and still be fit, and trim, and have a good memory, and an act of life. Okay. That works too.

Mimi MacClean:
Right. So I know you're not specific for Lyme patients, but if any past experience you have working with people with Lyme, or any kind of particular insights that you might have for Lyme patients, as far as like... at least I know from my experience, I'm not a doctor, whatever, but it is really important to get your pathways open before you start treating with whatever you're treating for specific for Lyme. Because if you start trying to kill off the Lyme or the co-factors before your liver and your kidney are working, then you're going to have serious problems.

Spencer Feldman:
Oh, sure. So absolutely. We want to have the body as toxin free for a number of reasons. One, Lyme generates toxins. So let's bind to them. While the Lyme is alive, let's bind to the toxin, drive him, have him get his brain fog. The second, is at the end of the day, it's our immune system that's going to have to kill Lyme. Herbs can weaken it, but our immune system's going to have to do the finishing blow most likely. 

Spencer Feldman:
So the more toxins in the body, the less functional immune system. So if you want to function immune system, you have to get the toxins out. So Lyme, we're dealing with both killing the Lyme and then dealing with the perturbation of the immune system during, and then post line.

Spencer Feldman:
One of the things that I'd like to see more people do is the [Giesma 00:36:11] stain, which is where you take those blue drops and you mix it on a slide with blood, and then you can see the bug now, and the Babeosia and all the little bugs actually stained in the blood. 

Spencer Feldman:
Because I think it's important to understand whether you have active Lyme. It's in you floating around, you got to kill it, or it's not active. The bug is gone, but now you're dealing with an autoimmune catastrophe. And which case going after the bug is not necessarily something that's going to do a lot, because it's already gone. What you really need to do is you need to get the immune system normalized again and that's a whole other world.

Mimi MacClean:
And do you help with that? Your products or is it?

Spencer Feldman:
Well like I said, so metals and toxins will disregulate the immune system. So why be fighting a two front war? Get the toxins out so that all you're left with is the immune dysregulation from the bugs itself. There are ways you can do with homeopathics. If you want to play in that realm where you can start trying to educate the body. You can start working with looking at the immunoglobulins, and which ones are up and which ones are down, and what supplements you might take to push your body TH1, TH2, and in any particular direction. But I'm no Lyme expert. I would be asking you what your experience and expertise is in this matter.

Mimi MacClean:
Yeah. I do think for me, I find that I'm able to withstand my symptoms if I'm detoxing. Like that's the first thing I go to. As soon as I don't feel well, I'm like, "Okay, I need to got to do a coffee enema. I got to do a sauna. It's almost like just the cumulative is too much that my body then starts... my symptoms kind of come back out and I relapse. 

Mimi MacClean:
So for me, it's really important to keep the detox up and making sure that I'm detoxing. I noticed too on your website that you have a parasite and biofilm detox, which I think is huge important. I'm just looking at that now. Yeah.

Spencer Feldman:
I was just about to go there. Yeah,

Mimi MacClean:
Yeah. For the Lyme because of the biofilm and parasites are hand in hand. Like I tell people, if you're not getting better, it's because you either have parasites or you have mold. That those two things go hand in hand with the Lyme, if you're not getting better.

Spencer Feldman:
Yeah. That was where I was going as well. So let's talk about biofilms. So there are diseases that are living in biofilms, which are, this is slime layer you see on a [inaudible 00:38:25] bile, right? Biofilms are not bad things. It's the reason why we don't have dead dinosaurs littering on the sides of highways, is because over time they break down. 

Spencer Feldman:
And biofilms are like the homes, certain creatures in the ocean, they have shells around them. That's their body that protects them, right? Insects have exoskeletons. So bacteria have a body that protects them. And it's called a biofilm. It's this mucus layer that it secretes. And it's not just bacteria. 

Spencer Feldman:
Biofilms are conglomerates, can be mixes of parasites, viruses, fungi, bacteria, all sorts of things. Now biofilms represent 95% of infections, easily, almost all the chronic ones. So when you try to get a sample of a biofilm old school and you put in a test tube, or you grow at an agar dish, if you don't give it the food that the biofilm wants to eat, and it sticks to the side of the test tube, rather than floating around of the vile, you're not going to be able to isolate it. You are not going to be able to see it. You're not going to be able to transfer it. And so you're not going to understand what's getting people sick. 

Spencer Feldman:
And this is why so many chronic diseases still exist today is because most chronic diseases that are infectious are caused by biofilms. And biofilms have been virtually invisible to the medical establishments since [inaudible 00:39:30]. They're finally starting to get some attention now. 

Spencer Feldman:
So we don't really have in the traditional medical world drugs to treat biofilms. I'm sure we will in the next 10, 20 years. And that'll be great for people for whom drugs are necessary. But until that time, and for those who prefer a natural route, there are natural ways to break up biofilms. 

Spencer Feldman:
So when drug companies try to come up with a new drug, very rarely, do they make a drug from scratch, just imagining what kind of chemical structure it has. They usually find some plant that has come up with something, and isolate it and then tinker with it so they can make a patent on it. Because you can't patent something natural. Sometimes tinkering is good. Sometimes it's not.

Mimi MacClean:
It's right now.

Spencer Feldman:
Yeah. Like, so for instance methylene blue was a fantastic drug. Still is for malaria, but it made people's urine turn green. And so they tinkered with it and eventually gave us chloroquine, and then hydroxychloroquine, which is a drug and it was patentable. But I prefer just the methylene blue, because I think it's safer and more effective. 

Spencer Feldman:
So sometimes you just have to know the pedigree and the history of some of these drugs. So we are often looking towards the plant kingdom. And the reason is because they have been dealing with the same infections that we have for longer than humans have been around. So they have to deal with parasites, viruses, fungi, bacteria, and all these. And they can't run away. So they have to secrete something to fight it. So they secrete chemicals.

Spencer Feldman:
And there's classes of the chemicals they make. And the two main classes of chemicals that they use are the bitter agents and essential oils. The essential oils will dissolve a biofilm and inhibit its growth and kill it directly. You know, for instance, a regular oil or clove oil kills all sorts of things. 

Spencer Feldman:
And then there's bitter agents. And what the bitters do is they interfere with the quorum sensing of the biofilm, which is what tells the biofilm when to grow. The biofilm doesn't want to grow larger than its food supply is. So it tries to stay in balance with this environment. So each little part of the biofilm is trying to sense these bitter elements to decide, is it overgrown or not? 

Spencer Feldman:
I guess what happens is they may secrete some tiny little bitterness that doesn't bother them, but when the concentration gets too high, they know they're overpopulated. So if you dose them with bitters, they think, "Oh my God, I'm so overly populated. Everybody stop multiplying."

Spencer Feldman:
So what I did is I made a product called Zoiben where I took the two most powerful bitters. Let me see, that would be gentian and berberine. And then I mixed in essential oils. And that took a while to figure out because, of the 455 known essential oils, a lot of them are toxic. 

Spencer Feldman:
First of all, some of them don't have a very strong effect. Those that do, most of them are poisonous. But I did find three or four essential oils that were edible, would not cause sensitization problems, or didn't cause all the other things that essential oils can cause. Mixed those when with the bitters, and people have been using that both in support of dealing with parasites and biofilms in general. And we've had some really good success with that.

Spencer Feldman:
Another thing you can do with biofilms is you can take serrapeptase, which we make as a suppository. Because again, it's an enzyme it'll be destroyed in the gut. And serrapeptase is the enzyme that the butterflies use, or caterpillars use to break out of the chrysalis to emerge as a butterfly. It's that [inaudible 00:42:54]. 

Spencer Feldman:
And so the bacteria inside of a biofilm are incredibly resistant to all sorts of things. It can take a thousand times more of an antibiotic to kill a bacteria in a biofilm than if the bacteria does not have the biofilm. And the other thing is the white blood cells can't get into it. They go a cell too deep into the biofilm, then they get stuck and it can't go any farther. So dealing with a chronic infection, you're probably dealing with a biofilm and you want to dissolve it first.

Mimi MacClean:
Yeah, you probably are right. So it's like for people who have chronic Lyme, if you haven't dealt with your biofilm, that's probably a main part of your issue.

Spencer Feldman:
Yeah. I mean, and here's the thing, it's recurrent, right? So in the biofilm, 1% of the infection will be dormant. It's asleep. That means it's not metabolic reactive. That means no matter what poison, drug or you give it to it, and kill 99% of it, if you're able to get through the biofilm, or if you're able to get to it, that 1% won't die because it's not metabolically active, it's sleeping. It's not going to eat when you give it. 

Spencer Feldman:
And so, this is why you want to stay on a biofilm protocol for two or three lunar cycles. You want to wait, so you kill them all off, but you've got to realize that you haven't killed all the eggs. And then when the eggs hatch, you got to kill all those. And then maybe there might be one last set that are waiting two or three lunar cycles to find. I mean, it's a very successful strategy to have sleeper cells like that. So that's part of the reason why you really have to-

Mimi MacClean:
Stay on it for couple of months.

Spencer Feldman:
Yeah.

Mimi MacClean:
Because I found that, I'll do a treatment and I feel great. And then 60 days later I feel terrible again.

Spencer Feldman:
Two lunar cycles. Yeah. 

Mimi MacClean:
Yeah. Crazy. Well, this has been amazing. It's such great information. So anybody who's listening wants to learn more about the protocols, there's videos, the products, all the information is @remedylink.com. I also see that you have consultation books, videos. So there's a lot of great information there. Anything else that you would like to add before that we might have forgot or end on?

Spencer Feldman:
Oh gosh. I mean, we could talk for hours.

Mimi MacClean:
 I know we could.

Spencer Feldman:
What I would say is for every one step towards the body you take in health, the body will take 10 steps towards you. If someone has said that what you have is incurable, that's hubris. What they really ought to honestly say is it's beyond their skillset. They're not God. They don't know. They don't know what plant, what herb is out there, what miracle is waiting for you.

Spencer Feldman:
And miracles do happen for people. We make this thing called an electron charger, which is sort of like electrical grounding, but stronger. And we got out to this one woman who used it for herself and she put it on the abdomen of her son who's in his twenties who has autism, and who's had diarrhea since his first vaccination. So can you imagine 25 years of diarrhea? Oh my God. That poor guy's body. Right? Anyway, she calls me up and she goes, "He has normal stools for the first time since he's five years old." I had no idea that was going to happen. 

Mimi MacClean:
Wow. 

Spencer Feldman:
I don't even understand why it happened, but that was his miracle. Right? So the 70 year old woman, I'm sorry, it took you 70, but she got her miracle. So don't let anybody tell you that there isn't a miracle waiting for you. It may take you time. You may have to go through a lot of false leads and rabbit holes, but keep the faith. It's there waiting for you. There is some key to your lock. Just stay with it. Don't lose hope and keep talking and asking questions. And then eventually we could be like, "Yeah. You know, I had extra all those years, and then finally I found that one thing. Turns out I was iodine deficient. Who knew?" It's waiting for you,

Mimi MacClean:
Right. No, it's so true. This is great. Thank you so much, Spencer. I really appreciate your time and we'll talk soon.

Spencer Feldman:
All right. Take care now.

Mimi MacClean:
Thank you. Each week I will bring you different voices from the wellness community so that they can share how they help their clients heal. You will come away with tips and strategies to help you get your life back. Thank you so much for coming on. And I am so happy you are here. Subscribe now and tune in next week. If you want to learn how I detox, and you want to check out my detox for Lyme checklist, go to lyme360.com/detox checklist. You can also join our community at Lyme 360 warriors on Facebook, and let's heal together. Thank you.